Yes... it's never over. You can check Florian's blog on this... It shows amongst other things "two PDF files about the EPLA, including a diagram that shows why the EPLA would among other bad things lead to the legalization of software patents in Europe" English version <http://www.no-lobbyists-as-such.com/florian-mueller-blog/> German version: <http://www.softwarepatente-buch.de/florian-mueller-blog/> As Bolestein said in his speech in 2003, they'll do their best to find other ways if the democratic way doesn't work. BTW I'm trying to find a transcript of the session in septembre 2003 where they voted on this, can someone help me there ? sma Eric Dondelinger wrote: -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it. -Thomas Jefferson, 3rd US president, architect and author (1743-1826) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Serge Marelli, Luxembourg ----------------------------------------------------------------------